PowerfulJREJoe Rogan Experience #2565 - Michael Douglas
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Falling Down’s lasting edge 0:01
He talks about Falling Down as one of his favorite films and notes how its complaints about roads, budgets, and frustration still fit 30 years later. He recalls the scene with the Korean grocery store and the later reaction from Korean grocers, who came in with a real complaint. He says the film became a symbol of being pushed too far.
Memoir and illness 3:00
He says he resisted writing a memoir for a long time. After stage four cancer and chemo, he began to think differently about what to pass on. He started with the idea of a movie handbook, then found he also had to write about his personal life, the good and the bad, because the book grew into both career stories and private ones.
Global conflict and fear 16:30
The talk turns to how the world feels like it is cracking again after the major wars of the last century. The speakers say there is more conflict than ever and that countries have to work together. They point to the United Nations as a flawed but necessary place to do that. One speaker also says he gets nervous when people start looking for other planets to move to, as if they already know something is coming.
Nuclear danger and AI 22:30
The conversation moves to nuclear weapons, war with Russia, and the chance that a leader could use a peace deal to push for a real reduction in stockpiles. The speakers agree that the world has far too many weapons and that mutual assured destruction is a crazy system. They then ask whether artificial intelligence could one day manage government and resources more fairly, if it were truly sentient and intelligent enough to do so.
Resources and corruption 27:02
They argue that natural resources should belong to everyone who lives on the earth, not only to the people who first drilled or mined them. Oil, water, air, and mineral wealth are all discussed as things that are treated like private property when they should be shared more widely. The discussion ends by saying politics and money have become deeply corrupt, which keeps people divided and makes real reform hard to imagine.
Politics and parties 33:01
He says politics has become badly corrupted, and that politicians once felt closer to clergy, people you could look up to. He argues that the system should reward better candidates instead of making you pick a side every time. He also says many people stay with a party because of family habit, not because they have thought it through.
Border and war fears 35:03
He says the two-party setup feeds tribal thinking and lets each side ignore its own failures. He is sharply against the open border, the lack of a primary since 2012, the Biden years, vaccine pressure, no-cash-bail policies, and defunding the police. He then says the Iran war feels like another dangerous mistake, though he admits Iran was moving on missiles and that a nuclear Iran would be frightening.
Family roots 44:31
He turns to his family history. He says he was born in New Brunswick, while his mother came from Bermuda, trained as an actress in New York, and married his father. He also explains that his grandfather left Belarus in 1902, not during the revolution, and that the family town near Chernobyl is now part of a dead zone.
Psychedelics and healing 52:31
Douglas says hallucinogens were an important part of his life and still shape the way he thinks. He links them to a new openness around PTSD, drug addiction, and traumatic brain injury, and he credits Trump with pushing FDA approval for therapies like ibogaine. He says these drugs can help people see the roots of addiction and get past the false stories they tell themselves.
Peace and gun fears 56:01
He remembers the 1960s as a time of peace, love, community, and sharing, and says the era might have changed the world if the 1970 Controlled Substances Act had not made psychedelics illegal. He argues that drugs should be regulated rather than banned, with limits for young people and a warning that some people can slip into schizophrenia. He then turns to guns, saying he supports the right to own one but does not see a need for military-style weapons, especially after seeing how easily a child can pick one up at home.
Gun fear and limits 1:06:00
Talk turns to why people want guns. The fear is that things could go sideways again, or that places without guns leave you helpless when trouble starts. That leads to a split view. One side wants more control, with registration and tighter checks on people with violence or heavy psychiatric treatment. The other side says many deaths come from people who know each other, from rage or accidents at home, and that a gun in the house can make that worse.
Psychedelics and war 1:09:00
The discussion then shifts to psychedelics. One view is that the drug laws blocked a chance to teach people how to use them safely, in calm settings, so they could come out of the experience less violent and more open to community. He says other countries now have legal clinics and that this should be researched and funded. From there the talk moves to war, Ukraine, and AI. Ukraine is described as tough and patriotic, while AI is seen as a force that will not stay under human control, much like a new arms race. Nuclear weapons, drone warfare, and the fear that machines do not value human life all come up together.
Comedy as craft 1:22:31
He talks about comedy as a hard form that does not get the respect it deserves. He likes that some people love it and some hate it, because that keeps it sharp. He says the work should be respected most by the people who practice it, and he points to the Austin club, open mics, and Kill Tony as ways to give younger comics a place to work, get paid, and keep writing new minutes.
Discipline and family 1:28:01
He remembers Steve Martin practicing alone at night and says that discipline made him look effortless. He also talks about Danny DeVito helping shape Romancing the Stone, and then turns to his own life. He says career once mattered more than anything, but now family, children, and community matter more. He warns that you cannot always balance ambition with marriage and kids, especially in film, and says democracy depends on people strengthening local communities from the bottom up.
Money warps politics 1:38:31
Money has changed politics by making it harder to hear a real debate. The talk turns to how ads, campaign budgets, and AI-made fake clips pull the process away from the will of the people. Voting should stay open, but people would do better if they understood what they were voting for instead of just backing a side.
Waste and hidden costs 1:42:01
The same concern goes beyond elections. State money for homelessness and disaster aid is said to vanish into nonprofits and executive pay, while the Pentagon still has never passed an audit. The conversation lands on student debt too, since those loans can follow you forever, unlike many other kinds of debt.
Drug money and family 1:46:01
A personal story follows about being given $10,000 at age 21 and then using two trips with Italian suitcases to move 44 kilos of marijuana back east. That money helped cover school costs. He says the work was possible for only a short time before the drug world got more violent, and he later laughs that the story finally explains why his father kept saying he had never asked for anything.
Cuckoo's Nest begins 1:52:31
The talk ends with how One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest first came into the family orbit. His father had bought the book rights after Spartacus and wanted to turn it into a stage play first, then a film. When that plan stalled, he later pushed to keep the book from being sold, and the speaker offered to take it on and try to set it up himself.
Cuckoo's Nest Financing 1:54:30
Douglas says he first had to tell his father that Kirk Douglas would not get the role of R.P. McMurphy because the producers and Milos Forman thought he was too old. He gave his father half of his producing deal as a way to make up for it, and later brought him to Berkeley to see the finished film. His father called it a hell of a movie, even if he later joked that he could have done it.
Leaving Television Behind 1:58:32
He explains that stepping away from The Streets of San Francisco was a huge risk because it was a number one hit show with a massive audience. Still, he had learned so much from years of television production that he felt ready to produce films. The show let him out of his contract, Carl Malden encouraged him, and Quinn Martin told him to go for it. That choice changed his life and led him into film production at a time when TV actors were still treated as separate from movie actors.
Casting Fatal Attraction 2:00:01
Douglas says Fatal Attraction became another lasting hit, and Glenn Close was the key reason. At first they did not think she was right for the part, even though she already had several Academy Award nominations. She auditioned anyway and completely won them over. He says she made the character sexy, strange, and dangerous at once, and that her work scared and amazed audiences.
Changing The Ending 2:03:01
The first ending they shot for Fatal Attraction had Glenn Close take her own life, with the audience meant to realize Douglas's character would be blamed. That ending did not work, because viewers wanted revenge instead of a symbolic finish. Close resisted reshooting, but Douglas talked her through the idea of test screenings and audience reaction. He says that process is there to help make a movie as entertaining as it can be.
Women And Villains 2:06:32
Looking back, Douglas says many of his best roles for women were strong villain parts, from Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest to Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction, Demi Moore in Disclosure, and Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct. He notes that women were once less likely to take on villain roles, but that changed over time. He also says Basic Instinct drew protest from the LGBT community, and the shoot in San Francisco was protected by forty SWAT officers while the protest went on.
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