PowerfulJREJoe Rogan Experience #2558 - Tyler Engle
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Noah's Ark Scans From Mount Ararat 0:01
Tyler Engle joins Joe Rogan and the conversation opens on Tyler's Instagram, baseforge_us, which recently covered new drone scans near Mount Ararat in Turkey using the same technology that located the Hawara labyrinth in Egypt. Researchers believe they hit petrified wood at the site. Mount Ararat sits nearly 17,000 feet high near two very salty lakes and a dry lake bed, and the nearby town of Shirupac was buried under fifty feet of mud dated close to the mud covering the structure in question. Shirupac is significant because it is where Noah, called Zasudra by the Sumerians and listed as the last king before the flood on the Sumerian king list, was said to be from. Nearby drogue stones, holed anchor stones similar to those found in ancient Greek and Roman ports, would have stabilized a mastless vessel, and their dimensions closely match what has been found in the ground.
Rethinking the Flood Story 3:32
Joe and Tyler agree the idea of every animal on Earth boarding one boat seems like an oversimplified version of something that was likely at least partly true, probably a localized flood around 3000 BC rather than a global event. They note that the Mediterranean region, ringed by mountains from Iran to Greece, produced multiple flood stories independently, including at the temple of Ionis, without them necessarily describing the same event. The bigger mystery, Tyler says, is how Noah knew far enough in advance to spend years building the largest ship ever constructed and loading it with animals.
Giants and the Denisovans 7:01
The talk shifts to giants, referencing strongman Brian Shaw's extreme bone density, roughly one in 500 million people, and then to the Denisovans, a human species whose skulls and proportions were notably larger than modern humans, with height estimates around 190 centimeters. Joe and Tyler note the fossil record is so sparse that findings keep getting revised, and that most bones are dated near 160,000 years old while radiocarbon tests on some samples suggest closer to 45,000, a huge discrepancy. They also discuss how poor diets shrank average human size through history, evidenced by tiny medieval armor in places like Florence, and close by noting how often legendary stories, like Troy, later turn out to have real historical roots.
Hieroglyphs Appear Fully Formed 14:32
Tyler Engle points out that Egyptian hieroglyphs show up already sophisticated, with no visible evolution from simple symbols to the polished writing system seen in the Old Kingdom. There is no trace of a group slowly inventing the symbols one by one. This absence of a developmental record is one more piece that complicates the conventional timeline of Egyptian history, alongside the mystery of temples carved with precision no one can fully explain.
The Kailasa Temple Puzzle 16:00
Engle describes his video on the Kailasa temple in India, carved directly out of extremely hard volcanic rock. A YouTube channel called Proto Civilization tested how much material a strong man with a hardened steel pickaxe could remove from similar rock, and after four hours of exhausting work he managed only about a six by six inch area roughly half an inch deep. Separately, a team of about a hundred workers spent two years trying to destroy the temple and barely scratched it. The tool marks at Kailasa show scrape penetration deeper than a modern hydraulic jackhammer can achieve, cut through narrow, V-shaped corridors, suggesting a construction method nobody today can identify.
Moving Ramses and Ancient Engineering 20:30
Engle recalls visiting the Grand Egyptian Museum, where movers needed a massive truck and steel beams just to relocate the statue of Ramses, a granite figure so large a visitor barely reaches its shin, reported at around 83 to 200 tons. He questions how ancient builders moved such weight without modern roads or trailers, using only sand, water, and logs from Lebanon. He also mentions the 300 ton Lakma stone at the museum, placed on a perfectly flat surface, calling on his own construction and engineering background to argue these feats defy standard explanations of copper tools and sand.
Comparing to Modern Technology 23:31
Rogan compares this to how a Tesla or a smartphone would look like magic to someone from two hundred years ago, suggesting a lost civilization's technology might seem just as baffling to us now. Engle frames ancient geometry, in temples and structures, as functioning like the geometry inside modern electronics, guiding and routing energy or behavior, with people themselves acting like the data being processed through these ancient systems.
Pyramids, Scans, and Resistance 26:32
The conversation turns to Filippo Bondi's radar scanning work beneath the pyramids, noting his accuracy in scanning the Titanic and known Egyptian structures, and the fact that his paper was retracted despite this track record. Engle and Rogan suggest institutional resistance, possibly tied to ego or bureaucracy, keeps researchers from investigating further, even though uncovering new discoveries could bring major tourism benefits. Engle mentions visible, unexplored gated doorways into underground spaces near the pyramids that remain unexamined.
Gatekeeping in academia 28:31
Tyler describes how experts often dismiss outsiders who question established narratives, treating themselves as gatekeepers of information. He notes that formal academia is a fairly recent institution, and that a growing movement is pushing back by pointing to physical evidence like overcuts in granite and drill holes that conventional history struggles to explain, creating a disconnect between what cultures claim about their own past and what history books say.
How Tyler got into it 29:00
Tyler explains he got into alternative history about twelve years ago while working high-rise window cleaning, a job he fell into through his family's window cleaning business. He spent hours hanging off buildings listening to audiobooks, including Graham Hancock's Fingerprints of the Gods, and later found John Anthony West's work on Magical Egypt compelling because of its engineering mindset, which appealed to his computer engineering background. He says the Baalbek site in Lebanon truly hooked him, especially its base of stones weighing up to 400 tons, for which the Romans, despite meticulous record-keeping, left no construction record, suggesting it predates them, possibly built by Phoenician Canaanites who also worked on Solomon's Temple and left Templar cross graffiti at sites like Baalbek and in Egypt.
Unexplained cuts and plasma traces 36:01
Tyler and Joe examine evidence of exotic metals and microspherules found embedded in ancient granite and limestone cuts in Egypt, Baalbek, Iran, and elsewhere, materials normally linked to meteorite impacts, nuclear reactor cooling circuits, or high-speed rotational tools the ancients supposedly lacked. Baalbek alone shows three microspherules per centimeter compared to one per square meter typical of meteorite fields, ruling out ordinary geology. Tyler suggests a form of low-energy plasma physics, similar to experiments by John Hutchison, whose surviving samples show the same microspherules, might explain how these stones were cut or transmuted, a much cheaper alternative to high-energy approaches like the Large Hadron Collider, hinting the ancients may have pursued technology in an entirely different direction than we did.
Tools Mistaken for Artifacts 43:30
Tyler suggests that some ancient tools are so simple in appearance that modern researchers mistake them for artifacts rather than recognizing them as technology. He points to votive cones, small handheld objects inscribed with cuneiform and embedded in temple walls, which the Met Museum officially describes as foundation deposits marking a ruler's achievements. Tyler proposes instead that these cones were tools for focusing energy, working alongside plasma physics concepts where plasma can safely pass through the human body and even embed itself in stone, creating tiny voids called plasmoids that let the rock hold and later release that energy.
Megalithic Precision and Ringing Stones 46:01
Tyler points to Sumerian megalithic sites like the Temple of Ionis in Anatolia, built from extremely hard basalt, as showing the same precise polygonal masonry found across the ancient world, much of it buried under later mud brick construction, similar to patterns seen in Peru. He connects this to the phenomenon of rocks that ring when struck, found at obelisks and altars throughout Egypt, explaining it as plasma eating away at grain boundaries inside stone and creating a monopole, a theoretical single-pole field that bends the earth's magnetic field around it. He ties this to a proposed temple network that would bridge the ground and the ionosphere through geometry, letting energy be routed and broadcast between sites like nodes on a wireless network. Rogan brings up the real ringing rocks park in Pennsylvania, where boulders lose their tone if removed from the site, as a modern parallel.
Mummification as Memory Transfer 53:01
Tyler argues that dynastic Egyptians did not invent this system but inherited it from an earlier culture, with structures like the Great Pyramid serving as hardware and temples like Luxor and Karnak functioning as the software or instructions for using it, with the human body as the "wetware" in between. He describes the Horus tradition, where a pharaoh trained through a sequence of temples up the Nile, each teaching a specific lesson, before being crowned as the living embodiment of the sun god, a process he compares to mummification acting as a "quantum anchor" that transferred memory and consciousness from one ruler to the next, likened to reincarnation rather than any single person living for thousands of years.
Downloading a Pharaoh's Memory 59:00
Tyler Engle describes a theory that ancient Egyptians preserved a pharaoh's frequency in the mummy itself, then used a ceremony likely involving psychedelics to pass that knowledge, memory, and wisdom directly into the next pharaoh, so rulership continued through inherited, directly experienced wisdom rather than spoken instruction.
Morphic Resonance and Inherited Memory 59:33
The conversation turns to Rupert Sheldrake's theory of morphic resonance, noting evidence such as rats on the east coast learning a maze faster after rats on the west coast already solved it, and caterpillars retaining memories even after dissolving into butterflies. This points to the idea that memory may not be fully understood, that it could exist as information in some other form, and that a sophisticated civilization might have learned to capture, transmit, and use it, which Tyler believes ancient Egyptian texts describe directly.
Temples as Consciousness Receivers 1:01:31
Tyler explains that Egyptian temples were built to restrict sensory input, moving visitors from an open courtyard into an acoustic, incense filled inner chamber, tuning their state of mind. He compares this to spontaneous synchronization in physics, where metronomes on a shared moving base fall into the same rhythm, suggesting temples worked as receivers aligning a person's brain with a deity's frequency, unlike massive infrastructure projects like the Osirion.
Ancient Timelines and Visitors From Above 1:04:00
He argues the Sumerian and Egyptian king lists, with reigns lasting tens of thousands of years, may deserve more credence, and connects this to the Book of Enoch's account of watchers mating with humans to produce the Nephilim, alongside the widespread ancient theme of beings descending from the sky, possibly explaining sudden global leaps in agriculture and law.
Megalithic Cores and Cycles of Loss 1:06:30
Tyler suggests civilizations repeatedly approached great sophistication during peaceful periods, only to be set back by disasters like the Mesopotamian flood, leaving megalithic infrastructure such as Angkor Wat, Teotihuacan, and Karnak as evidence, with later builders constructing on top of older cores whose precise alignment mattered.
Erosion Puzzles at Giza and Petra 1:08:00
They discuss uneven erosion at Giza and Petra, where some structures like the Treasury look pristine while others nearby appear extremely eroded, and much of Petra remains unexcavated, making it hard to date what is oldest.
The Hill in Telepathy Tapes 1:10:00
Rogan raises the "telepathy tapes," where nonverbal autistic children describe telepathically meeting at a place called "the hill." Tyler connects this to ancient Greek dream temples and Irish and Celtic mound builders, suggesting such shared meeting places, and the possibility that rulers deliberately cut off access to them, much like the Taliban destroying ancient sites, to maintain control.
Nosis as Direct Knowledge 1:12:00
Tyler closes by describing Egyptian burial spells as instructions for navigating an altered state to connect with deities and ancestors, arguing that learning to hold conscious control within that realm was the core early science, unlocking direct knowledge, or "nosis," of nature's secrets beyond ordinary sensory perception.
Serpents and Sacred Protection Symbols 1:14:00
Tyler Engle draws a comparison between ancient temple protocols and modern AI prompting, suggesting that hieroglyphic spells worked like precise instructions where getting the wording wrong meant not reaching the intended result. He points to serpent imagery surrounding a pharaoh in hieroglyphs, noting these are usually labeled as protection symbols, similar to serpents that frequently appear in psychedelic experiences. He interprets the depicted solar boat as a kind of transport device, comparing it to a wormhole, arguing the figure is shown white and encircled, as if inside a protected vehicle traveling through another realm, with the solar disc above the head representing the god Khnum.
Strange Figures in Book of Caverns 1:16:30
Jamie pulls up the Book of Caverns, which Tyler describes as containing some of the strangest hieroglyphic imagery in Egyptian art. Both men fixate on unusual headless, kneeling figures at the bottom of one image, some painted black and others red, with elongated limbs that look like extra arms rather than fingers. Tyler suggests these might represent lower spirits of the underworld. When they ask Perplexity to identify the figures, the AI can only describe them as stylized humanlike silhouettes possibly tied to a deity or ritual, without confidently identifying them. Tyler stresses that modern understanding of hieroglyphs is limited, since the Rosetta Stone only reveals phonetics, not the priests' original meanings, meaning much of the accepted interpretation comes secondhand through Greek accounts rather than direct explanation. He compares this gap to Peru, where modern institutions attribute certain pre-Inca stonework to the Incas despite descendants disputing that claim.
Spherical Light and Pyramid Geometry 1:24:30
Tyler shifts to physics, showing an analysis by researcher Clay Taylor comparing a Book of Caverns illustration to the optical refraction pattern of a sphere, arguing the beam of light connecting deities in the image mirrors how light actually bends through a sphere, top and bottom reversed. He proposes the solar disc functioned as a transmitter of divine knowledge, with light acting like a tuning fork to access another realm. He then claims the Great Pyramid, which he says is actually eight-sided with slight concave faces visible only at certain times like the equinox, matches this same spherical refraction pattern, including the angle of a double rainbow. He suggests the pyramid's shape and tuning may have deliberately focused Schumann resonance frequencies, treating the structure as a functional device rather than purely symbolic architecture.
The Pyramid as a Sync Not a Transmitter 1:30:01
Tyler Engle points to a strange feature visible from above the Great Pyramid at certain times of year and argues the structure is not a broadcaster of energy but a receiver, or sync, for ambient electromagnetic waves. He cites a 2018 study showing the pyramid can convert radio waves into electromagnetic energy that passes into the ground. He describes internal chambers acting like band pass filters, taking a large ambient wave moving through the Schumann cavity, the electromagnetic field surrounding Earth, and filtering out a smaller usable frequency that then flows downward rather than outward.
Geometry as an Alchemical Down Converter 1:32:32
He explains that the geometry of the pyramid focuses and down converts energy, an alchemical process turning a bigger wave into a smaller one that can interact with the environment. Changing soil conductivity or electrical gradients in the earth's crust affects plant growth, germination rates, and the overall liveliness of an ecosystem. He connects this to Gerald Pollock's research on structured water, a liquid crystal form of water that the body uses to carry nutrients and electricity, suggesting temples were built near water to interface with this same structured water. He describes a geometric interface between the ionosphere and ground currents controlling soil conductivity, extended by underground pipe networks at places like Angkor Wat and Dashur, turning these sites into ecological machines with no moving parts, effectively terraforming local environments to sustain life, much like a garden of Eden that fails and turns arid when the system stops working, as seen in Egypt today.
Civilizations as Regional Specialists 1:37:33
Engle frames the pyramid's purpose as twofold, stabilizing local ecology and teaching humans to use the energy for organizing society, engineering against disasters, and hydrology. He compares this to a phone and its apps, where the underlying system provides the environment and humans become the applications running on it. He divides ancient civilizations into specialized schools: the Americas as biologists mastering crops and terraforming the Amazon, Greco-Roman Europe as organizers of society and resource distribution, Egypt as focused on consciousness and connection to natural patterns called neters, and Hindu and Pacific Island cultures, including Angkor Wat, as specialists in purifying and working with water. He closes with a speculative idea that this planetary system may relate to an original home on Mars, damaged and rendered unlivable, and suggests these ancient systems could transfer consciousness across star systems without physically moving bodies, comparing it to what is seen in mummies.
Earth as a genetic waypoint 1:45:31
Tyler suggests that timescales for advanced civilizations may not be human timescales at all. He proposes that an ancient, highly evolved network could have used Earth as a kind of storage post or seed bank, retrieving genetic material like corn to replant on other worlds if a civilization elsewhere collapsed. He argues this idea makes more sense than assuming these ancient technologies appeared instantly and fully formed with no connection to anything else.
Mismatched ruins and borrowed sites 1:47:01
Tyler points to Jay Anderson's work on Peru, showing scattered megalithic blocks with crude stone and mortar construction sitting right on top of them, which suggests the crude work could not have survived whatever event displaced the megaliths. He notes this same pattern of building on top of far older, unexplained structures shows up worldwide, including in Lebanon, and even the Aztecs never claimed to have built their own pyramids, instead calling the site the place where the gods were born.
Encoded legends and sacred geometry 1:49:00
Tyler argues that ancient legends, much like hidden numerical patterns in the Quran or Bible, were designed for oral transmission because writing systems like Sanskrit or hieroglyphs lock meaning into one interpreter's hands. He says geometry does not lie, and that this geometry functions the same way modern devices use electromagnetic waves, only scaled up to work with the earth's seismic vibrations, meaning ancient temples were built to align with the earth and stars almost like processors.
Languages built for different functions 1:52:31
Tyler explains that translating ancient languages into modern English inevitably loses meaning, since hieroglyphs could carry seven meanings per symbol while English is hyper specific. He describes Mayan glyphs as tied to cycles fitting a biological engineering framework, Egyptian as closer to engineering diagrams than language, and Hindu language as evolving toward harmonizing flow, arguing each language evolved to serve a distinct function rather than one blanket ritual purpose.
Hieroglyphs with no early version 1:54:30
Tyler notes that hieroglyphs appear suddenly with a fully sophisticated vocabulary and no crude early form, unlike a typical language that grows from simple symbols. He connects this to reports of nonverbal telepathic children who can read hieroglyphs without education, suggesting a teacher figure on a hill explains the meaning to them, and wonders whether their lack of verbal filtering lets information come through unprocessed by culture.
A shared field of knowledge 1:57:00
Tyler describes Matias Dephano's account of ancient society communicating nonverbally through a shared field of knowledge, likened to a spiderweb of nodes similar to the Akashic records. He says vibration structured water into a quantum interface allowing access to memories or future events, which let people foresee civilizational collapse and plan temples in advance so future generations could rediscover and restart civilization.
Edfu and the origin of Atlantis 1:58:31
Tyler and Joe discuss the Stargate hieroglyph and the building texts at the Edfu temple in Egypt, which Tyler says are the earliest known record of the Atlantis story, predating Plato's account. He mentions plasma-related hieroglyphs found throughout Egyptian temples, and describes the Egyptian concept of three aspects of being, the ka, the ba as the winged spiritual body, and the mirror light body called the merkaba.
Edfu Temple Carvings 2:00:30
Tyler points out imagery at the temple of Edfu in Egypt, showing walls covered with depictions of figures arriving by sea from another land, teaching humans agriculture. He notes that almost every face on these ancient carvings has been deliberately scratched off, suggesting each conquering group erased the record of whoever came before them.
Pyramids As Chemical Plants 2:01:31
Jamie reads a summary of researcher Jeffrey Drum, known as Land of Chem, who argues the Egyptian pyramids were industrial chemical plants producing fertilizer and acids using the earth's electrical charge. Calcium sulfate crusts found in the Great Pyramid's Queen's Chamber match residue from sulfuric acid reacting with limestone, and a PhD chemist named Brian Cohen reached similar conclusions. Each pyramid supposedly made a different chemical, methane at the Step Pyramid, hydrochloric acid at Khafre's pyramid, and ammonia at the Red Pyramid, with the smell reportedly still present. Drum also claims iron veins and rare earths, including one sample at 35 percent platinum, run through the Giza bedrock, and that the stone boat pits beside the Great Pyramid functioned as circuit breakers.
Tuning Stones With Sound 2:03:31
Tyler explains this fits his model of pyramids as tuning devices using ultrasonic cavitation, the same effect behind sonoluminescence, to release energy and trigger chemical reactions. He points to deep wells at Angkor Wat and the Step Pyramid of Djoser as examples where acoustically tuned chambers filtered frequencies down into aquifers, purifying water for rituals while producing fertilizer byproducts for agriculture, allowing these civilizations to support unexpectedly large populations.
Stargates And Vanished Civilizations 2:08:01
The conversation turns to mysterious doorway structures in Peru and at Hegra in Saudi Arabia, popularly explained as tombs. Tyler suggests these are Stargates, arguing Tesla proved energy and information can travel through rock, letting people move consciously through stone and emerge through recognizable geometric gates elsewhere, as Egyptian merkaba lore and Hindu texts describe. He notes erosion patterns and water lines on these desert structures suggest the sites predate then survived intact, with visible water damage on the lower portions.
Chanting And Resonant Chambers 2:14:00
Tyler describes ikaros, songs sung during ayahuasca rituals that visibly synchronize the DMT experience with music, and suggests similar effects could explain chanting inside resonant ancient chambers. He and Jamie pull up a video of the Betsy Caves, called a chaitya or chanting hole, built purely for acoustics, where a man's chant produces startling resonance as Buddhist monks once walked and meditated around its central stupa.
Sound, resonance, and temple design 2:16:00
Ancient chambers, whether Egyptian, Hindu, or cathedral, were tuned to a specific resonance, often encoded in the floral patterns carved into their walls. That resonance may have acted as a key to access certain states or even locations, much like the earlier discussion of star-shaped sites. Knowing the resting resonance of a space could shape a person's conscious experience, which is also why psychedelics pair so naturally with music festivals, since music itself drives the experience.
Sound bypasses the fear brain 2:17:31
The vagus nerve connects directly to the ear before signals ever reach the brain for processing, a survival mechanism rooted in reacting instantly to loud noises like a snapping branch. This pathway bypasses the amygdala, the brain's fear center behind fight or flight. In a peaceful setting such as a temple or festival, this bypass can produce a detached, almost weightless state similar to a DMT experience, allowing sound in a connected environment to become a tool for information exchange or a form of conscious travel not yet understood.
Sound as the missing link 2:20:00
Sound is described as the only medium humans can truly manipulate, which is how ancient builders likely interfaced with the geometry of temple complexes, even though the exact routing of frequencies remains unknown. This bridges feeling and thinking into a state called gnosis, a direct download of information. The conversation closes with a call to actually test this, such as tuning a cathedral acoustically while people undergo monitored DMT experiences, alongside plans to speak and perform at events including CPAC, the Wakan music festival, and Austin's Quest for Ancients conference in October.
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