PowerfulJREJoe Rogan Experience #2557 - Yakov Smirnoff
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A gift from Ground Zero 0:01
Yakov Smirnoff arrives with a piece of a mural he painted at Ground Zero and mentions a Paul Harvey radio segment about it, though the audio cannot be aired for copyright reasons. He tells Joe he feels honored to be there and admits he is a little nervous meeting someone whose career he admires.
Luck behind the podcast 2:30
Joe downplays the idea that the podcast came from some grand vision, saying it succeeded mostly through persistence and simple conversation, and that the real credit belongs to his guests.
When the Soviet Union fell, so did he 3:30
Yakov explains that his comedy career was built entirely on being a Russian comic in America, and he even helped write jokes for President Reagan's Moscow speeches. When the Soviet Union collapsed, David Letterman joked that Yakov would be out of work, and within six months every one of his contracts in Las Vegas, Atlantic City, Reno, and Tahoe vanished, leaving him unable to find any club work at all.
Finding refuge in Branson 7:00
Unable to pay his mortgage, Yakov searched for a place that hadn't caught up with the news that the Soviet Union had collapsed. A chance invitation to co-host Willie Nelson's Farm Aid concert led to Willie telling him, through a cloud of smoke, to try Branson, Missouri. Yakov visited in 1993, saw packed 2,000 seat theaters for acts like Soji Tabuchi and Andy Williams, and decided to try it himself.
Building an audience from seventeen people 9:31
His first Branson show drew only seventeen people, so he got creative, serving his mother's breakfast recipe in the showroom under the name Yak in a Box and running two shows a day. Attendance grew steadily to about four hundred people a show within a year, tour buses started bringing crowds, and he eventually bought a 2,000 seat theater, going on to entertain over six million people there and cutting back to around thirty shows a year in recent times.
Canceled without a scandal 12:00
Yakov and Joe reflect on how, before social media, a single narrative could end a career overnight with no way to correct it. Yakov notes he hadn't done anything wrong, he simply became irrelevant once the Cold War ended, comparing himself to a JFK impersonator whose act collapsed after the assassination.
Studying love like a comedy bit 14:31
The upheaval coincided with his divorce, pushing him to ask why laughter fades in relationships even though it defines the start of them. He turned his shows into an informal laboratory, polling audiences about laughter in early dating versus its disappearance later, and eventually earned a master's in psychology from the University of Pennsylvania and a doctorate from Pepperdine while still performing on weekends.
Needs, magnets, and marriage 20:30
Yakov compares comedy and relationships, arguing that a joke lands only when it meets an audience's underlying need, just as a relationship or a business succeeds by identifying what people actually want. He cites Dr. Willard Harley's book His Needs, Her Needs, which found that top emotional needs differ sharply by sex, with women prioritizing affection, conversation, honesty, family commitment, and financial support, and men prioritizing sexual fulfillment, admiration, an attractive spouse, recreational companionship, and domestic support.
Admiration versus being loved 25:00
Yakov demonstrates in his shows that men crave acknowledgment for what they do, while women want to be loved for who they are rather than praised for their actions. Joe and Yakov extend this into a broader conversation about attraction, noting that men often care less about a woman's ambition or job than about her being kind and enjoyable to be around, while women tend to value ambition in a partner more heavily.
Phil Hartman's marriage and mismatched ambition 28:01
Joe recalls Phil Hartman saying his next wife would need her own passion, whether flying planes or anything else, because he needed a partner with genuine interests. Joe notes Hartman's own marriage was troubled, and that he suspects his wife wanted fame herself and resented his success, a dynamic Yakov likens to magnets repelling rather than attracting.
Learning his role in marriage 30:32
Yakov describes painting a piece called the tree of love to help him understand his role as a husband, contrasting it with his first marriage where he unconsciously modeled his own parents' dynamic, with a dominant mother and a creative but yielding father. He realized he wanted to be a strong presence who allows his wife the freedom to be creative, though in that earlier marriage his public image as a commanding performer clashed with what the relationship actually needed.
A Late Marriage And New Fatherhood 32:30
Yakov Smirnoff explains that it took him twenty years of self-education after his divorce to figure out who he needed to become in order to attract the kind of wife he wanted. He notes that he is now 75 years old and has a one-year-old child, having married his wife Olivia seven years ago. He describes spending those two decades essentially single, working through personal development, including Tony Robbins style trainings, because he felt he had modeled himself too closely on his passive father and needed to build the strength to be someone a woman could trust completely.
Fifty One Dates In Ukraine 34:33
Ten years ago, at 65, Smirnoff took his grown children to visit his hometown of Odessa. A forgotten passport stranded him an extra day, during which he sat in a park and found himself drawn to the idea of finding a wife in Ukraine rather than continuing to date unsuccessfully in America. He hired three matchmaking agencies at once and, over two weeks, went on 51 dates, having breakfast, lunch, and dinner with different women each day. None worked out, partly because he was screening for women whose fathers had modeled healthy masculine energy, believing that mattered for whether they could trust him.
Meeting Olivia Through A Seminar 38:31
After the agency dates failed, Smirnoff decided to teach a seminar in Kiev on relationships and laughter, reasoning that women drawn to a seminar would be different from those using agencies to find a way out of the country. The woman hired to promote the seminar was Olivia, who became his wife. Despite their age gap, a professional relationship slowly turned personal, and he eventually proposed to her during a hot air balloon ride, using a banner on the ground that she needed help reading before saying yes.
Starting Comedy Under Soviet Control 42:00
Smirnoff began performing at 15 in a Soviet Union where comedy was tightly controlled, with only two government approved comedians, including one named Arkady Raikin, broadcast over speakers installed in every apartment. He memorized Raikin's approved monologues and retold them at his school, which taught him he wanted to perform. He continued informally in the military during holidays, then studied art in college before landing work on Soviet Black Sea cruise ships at 20, performing for foreign tourists he wasn't normally allowed to speak to.
The Cruise Ship Revelation 47:31
After one week performing on a cruise ship, staff initially told Smirnoff he had no special privileges, but hours later a messenger arrived with tickets allowing his parents to join him. A cruise director explained the captain had insisted on keeping him, even offering his own cabin, because talent was rewarded. This convinced Smirnoff that in the capitalist world, being more talented meant getting more, a realization he calls life changing.
Voice Of America In Secret 49:31
Smirnoff recalls his father secretly listening to Voice of America broadcasts at night, despite jamming during the day, while his mother feared the family would get in trouble. After his cruise ship experience, he urged his parents to try to leave the Soviet Union. His father argued that he wanted his son to be in America rather than just listening to it on the radio, and his mother eventually agreed despite fearing social consequences. Their exit became possible because Jimmy Carter tied Soviet grain shipments to allowing emigration, and Smirnoff describes his family as essentially having been let out in exchange for wheat.
Reflections On Freedom And Capitalism 53:30
Rogan responds to this story by arguing that Americans often forget how fortunate they are, and criticizes the pull toward communism among young people, saying it stems from genuine empathy but leads to government control, luxury for the powerful, and bread lines for everyone else. He argues the goal should be a more ethical capitalism paired with real philanthropy, not the appearance of charity that funnels most donations back into its own operations. He maintains that despite corruption and imperfection, the American system's core purpose, allowing people freedom to live as they choose, is not something to discard.
Becoming Yakov Smirnoff 57:03
Smirnoff reveals his real name is Yakov Pokhis, and describes arriving in America in 1977, first working as a bar boy at Ginger's Hotel in the Catskills after training briefly as a bartender in a two week New York mixology course. He wanted to learn English by talking to guests near the stage, an approach shaped by his cruise ship experience. His stage name emerged because customers mispronounced his surname as something close to Smirnoff, which he decided to keep since it evoked "yaks," meaning jokes, and made people smile.
Learning English Through Comedy 1:00:01
Smirnoff describes testing translated jokes on customers while bartending, using laughter or tips as his measure of whether his English was working. After a stint waiting tables at a French restaurant called Monk's Inn near Lincoln Center, he left for the Catskills job, telling his manager about the opportunity, who encouraged him to take it. He worked at Ginger's for seven or eight months, moving from bar boy to bartender, before asking the room's manager, Barry Wise, whether he could try performing comedy, receiving permission to attempt it in the lobby during afternoons.
First Stand-up Attempts in New York 1:05:33
Yakov Smirnoff recalls his earliest attempts at comedy, including a lobby show where a woman in the audience appeared to be laughing so hard she was having what looked like a seizure, prompting paramedics to remove her while others told him he was killing it. He also did a couple of shows at Catch a Rising Star in New York, which did not go particularly well. At the time he was working as a shipping manager at a company called Greeting Bells to make money, and a woman there mentioned she knew Ted Bergman, the executive producer of Three's Company.
Hollywood Gamble and Meeting Mitzy Shore 1:07:00
Smirnoff bought a ten-day ticket to Hollywood with a plan to become a star quickly and return to New York to buy his parents a Fifth Avenue apartment. Bergman canceled their meeting, but Smirnoff had already committed to performing at the Comedy Store. Afterward, a secretary named Chrissy told him that Mitzy, the club's owner, had liked him. Not realizing who she was, he sat with her, and she offered his father a carpentry job and a room in her house on Crest Hill for 120 dollars a month. The next night he watched a lineup that included Robin Williams, Billy Crystal, David Letterman, and Richard Pryor.
Learning English and Early Roles 1:13:00
Smirnoff describes isolating himself from Russian speakers to force himself to learn English faster. Robin Williams helped him get a part in Moscow on the Hudson, filmed in 1982 and released in 1984, and he later appeared in seven episodes of Night Court. For years he could not get booked on The Tonight Show because producer Jim McCauley doubted Johnny Carson would like him, once telling him he'd get on "when the hell freezes over."
The Miller Lite Breakthrough 1:15:02
A Miller Lite commercial featuring Smirnoff became hugely popular, airing during the Super Bowl and making him widely recognized. After Carson saw it and asked why Smirnoff wasn't booked, McCauley suddenly wanted him on immediately. Smirnoff eventually appeared on the show, and Carson invited him to sit on the couch after he joked about American policemen having warning shots. He went on to do six or seven episodes with Carson, a credit that at the time carried enormous weight, since only a few television channels existed and audiences numbered in the tens of millions.
Meeting Reagan and Writing His Speech 1:19:31
Smirnoff met President Reagan at a private dinner in Washington, arranged by the chief editor of the Washington Times, after Reagan recognized him from the Miller Lite commercial. The two connected instantly over jokes. Later, speechwriter Dana Rohrabacher asked Smirnoff to contribute jokes for a Reagan speech to Soviet politicians in Moscow, and even to review the speech's tone. Smirnoff felt Reagan was talking down to the Soviet leaders and suggested treating them as equals instead, a change that was accepted.
Surviving the Journey Through Italy 1:27:01
Before reaching America, Smirnoff's family spent three months in Italy while Soviet authorities checked their documents, limited to 100 dollars per person and two suitcases each. Learning that condoms were cheap in the Soviet Union but expensive in Italy, the family smuggled a suitcase full of them and sold them at an open market to afford rent and food, with his mother eventually making jokes in Italian to sell more. He also taught himself English by sitting all day in a Rome movie theater for a dollar and by practicing weekly with an English-speaking couple, telling them his goal was to perform in Las Vegas within five years, which came true.
Touring Again and the Kill Tony Boost 1:34:30
Smirnoff is now touring comedy clubs again, promoting a new hour of material about relationships and having a young child, and has noticed audiences visibly softening toward each other during his relationship jokes. He credits Nate Bargatze with showing there was an audience hungry for clean, family-friendly comedy, and describes performing on Kill Tony as unexpectedly welcoming despite his G-rated style, with Tony treating him with great respect.
Comedy Has No Single Style 1:40:00
Rogan and Yakov agree that comedy comes in many forms, from Nate Bargatze's clean style to Joey Diaz or Brian Holtzman's harder edge, and none of it is inherently better than another. What matters is whether it is funny, not whether it fits one label. Rogan notes that going to a comedy club is like not knowing whether you'll get Run DMC or AC/DC, and that unpredictability is part of what makes it exciting.
Rebuilding His Act as Stand Up 1:41:30
Yakov describes how a young comedian once told him he wasn't really a stand-up comedian but a one-man show, since his sets in France leaned toward storytelling rather than punchline after punchline. Unsure how to take this, he asked ChatGPT, which confirmed he had shifted from stand-up to a one-man show format. That answer bothered him enough that he spent a full year rewriting his material into straight punchline-driven comedy so he could call himself a stand-up again, which led to his current tour.
Argus Hamilton Still Running 1:44:30
Yakov brings up Argus Hamilton as an inspiration, a comic still sharp in his seventies who always has a line ready for whatever is in the news. Rogan recalls Argus, once known for heavy substance use, showing up at the Comedy Store parking lot in running shoes, explaining that running ten miles a day is now his motivation to keep doing sets.
Life in Mitzi's House With Kenison 1:45:32
Yakov describes living in a house connected to Mitzi Shore, where Andrew Dice Clay also lived and taught him English, and where Sam Kinison would come to hang out and scream with Dice Clay for fun. One night the two decided to take their screaming match to the Comedy Store itself, and Kinison's first time on stage grew out of that impromptu shouting session, which became the seed of his stage persona. Yakov also recalls being naive about drug use in the house, once cleaning cocaine residue off a mirror thinking people had been eating donuts off it.
Rogan's Introduction to Kinison 1:49:03
Rogan traces his own path into comedy back to a volleyball player friend in Boston who did an impression of Kinison's infamous bit about necrophiliacs paying for time with corpses, performed lying on the pavement of a parking lot. That moment, around 1986 when he was nineteen, was his real introduction to Kinison, though he had no interest in doing comedy himself at the time since he was deep into competitive martial arts. His friend Steve Graham eventually talked him into trying an open mic, where he realized everyone starts out bad and improves the same way fighters do.
Getting Passed by Mitzi Shore 1:53:00
Rogan recalls flying to LA for a pilot in the early nineties, discovering the Comedy Store felt like Mecca, and eventually becoming an unpaid regular who went on after midnight until Mitzi passed him, a moment that convinced him he could actually make a living doing comedy. Both comedians describe Mitzi as the single most important non-performing figure in comedy history, someone who loved developing raw talent rather than polished acts, famously declining to pass Jerry Seinfeld because he arrived already fully formed. She nurtured people like Roseanne and Jim Carrey, sometimes gave strange advice such as renaming Joey Diaz "Fat Baby" on the lineup for years, and called the club a home for the island of broken toys.
Naming the Comedy Mothership 2:01:03
Yakov recalls serving as a pallbearer at Mitzi's funeral, calling her passing a full circle moment since she gave him his start. Rogan explains that his own club was almost named the Asylum as a nod to Mitzi's phrase about inmates running the asylum, before settling on the Mothership, with the bar named Mitzi's in her honor, carrying forward her spirit of welcoming weirdos. Yakov mentions performing there twice and helping shape its rooms, drawing on what he learned from her, while Rogan recalls the belly room's shaky ceiling during Kill Tony shows and the eccentric regulars who passed through, including a man who dressed as Jesus for years.
Crest Hill and Dice Clay Stories 2:05:31
Rogan reveals he once considered buying the old Crest Hill house where comedians used to live, but backed out because his escape-artist dog, Frank Sinatra, needed a bigger yard than the property offered. Yakov closes with a story about living there with Andrew Dice Clay, who advised him to buy a ring to make breaking up with a girlfriend easier, not realizing it was an engagement ring, a mistake caught by housemate Tom Wilson, who played Biff in Back to the Future and warned him that Dice Clay was "not a representative of the human race."
Two Mercedes and a Rolls Royce 2:09:30
Yakov describes working for minimum wage while saving money, then partnering with a friend to borrow money and buy two Mercedes in Germany, selling one to get the other for free. While his roommates slept in all day with no car, he had two Mercedes in the garage. A gig hosting a Bob Monkhouse show in England paid him a bag of ten thousand pounds, which he used to buy a Rolls-Royce and ship it to America, even while still living in a $120 a month room.
Buying a wrecked house 2:11:32
A passing realtor asked to borrow a hammer, and Yakov asked her to find him a five thousand square foot house with a view of LA for $150,000. She found a wrecked house once owned by Lenny Bruce and later by actor Seymour Cassell, who had lost it to his attorney after struggling with drugs. To finalize the paperwork, Yakov had to track Cassell down in jail and pay him fifty dollars, the maximum inmates were allowed to hold, to sign off on a land dispute. He eventually sold the home, moved to Pacific Palisades, then relocated to Branson, where he still owns a theater.
Returning to comedy and reflecting on its value 2:15:30
Yakov describes reconnecting with stand-up through Nate Bargatze, getting a standing ovation in Nashville, and feeling nervous performing for younger crowds despite thirty-three years in Branson. He recalls Jay Leno dismissing his interest in studying laughter academically, insisting comedy is just writing a joke, telling it, and collecting a check. Yakov and Joe agree comedy carries deeper value, comparing laughter to medicine or lubricant in relationships, before Yakov accepts an invitation to do a set that night and shares his tour dates, including Atlanta, Sacramento, and San Francisco.
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