All-In PodcastCoreWeave Crash, AI Trade Cracks, Anthropic IPO Red Flags, Bill Gates Doomer
All-In Podcast
Number one banter 0:00
The hosts open by joking that the show has reached number one after five years, and they trade credit for the rise. David Sacks and Ben Horowitz are introduced, with praise for the team and a note that Freeberg is away. The talk then turns to the week’s main topic: a possible crack in the AI trade after the neocloud stocks sold off sharply.
CoreWeave debt pressure 2:31
They focus on CoreWeave, whose debt yields jumped to 15% after people on X, including Elon Musk, highlighted the move. A past explanation of CoreWeave’s “box” model is replayed: fixed customer contracts, GPU purchases, and layered financing. The risk, they say, is that higher borrowing costs and concentrated revenue could squeeze margins and push the business toward a break-even edge.
CoreWeave risk and structure 16:32
Loudcloud is used as the cautionary example. The danger is that a business built on borrowed, fast-changing infrastructure can get upside down when prices move against it. Bandwidth is the example: it fell from $1,500 a megabit in 1999 to $50 by 2001, which would have crushed anyone carrying debt. CoreWeave looks different because demand is still strong and GPU prices have not fallen.
AI demand and financing 20:02
The drop in CoreWeave bonds and stock is treated as volatility, not proof that the AI trade has broken. Demand for compute is still described as off the charts, with even old H100s and A100s renting at premium prices. New supply is hard to add because data centers are difficult to build and regulators slow them down. The financing is said to rest on customer contracts and GPUs, not on CoreWeave’s unsecured debt.
Bespoke software grows 32:31
Coding assistants and agents are described as a new category of bespoke software. They let enterprises build tools for narrow uses that were once too small for the mass market. That makes more code, not less. The point is not that every old software product disappears, but that many more firms now create software in house for their own needs.
Power and payback 38:01
The discussion then turns to moats, or the things that protect a business. Data, user feedback, and better models matter, but power is treated as the hardest moat. Data centers need electricity, and shortages make the whole stack fragile. The key metric to watch is payback period: CoreWeave at 2.5 years, SpaceX at roughly one year. Short payback lowers risk, while delays, penalties, and failed delivery raise it.
Anthropic valuation debate 47:00
People argue over Anthropic’s scale, growth, and IPO price. The revenue number floating around is 16.8 billion in a quarter, but the growth rate from Q2 to Q3 may be slowing. That is why some worry about the valuation. Even so, the discussion stays focused on whether the company should price the deal high or low, not on whether the business is real.
Cash now or later 55:31
The main case for a lower price is simple. Anthropic may need a huge war chest because compute is expensive and future financing may be harder. The talk turns to 200 to 250 billion of cash, with 150 billion described as too little. The point is to avoid a down round later and to secure enough compute for three to five years.
Anthropic panic cycle 1:03:01
Anthropic’s warning about small models and self-replicating worms is treated as another scare campaign. The point is that no AI worm exists yet, but the company is showing that a small model can be installed on ordinary IoT gear like TVs, cameras, and vacuum cleaners. The claim is that the risk is being stretched to frighten people about open models and small-purpose systems.
Distillation and enterprise shift 1:06:30
The same pattern is tied to Anthropic’s distillation complaints. After asking for government help against model copying, it later said it had cut most distillation itself. The discussion says the company should have used its own technical defenses from the start. It then points to Coinbase fine-tuning a 9 billion parameter model to cut fraud about 30%, showing how small models are taking real enterprise work.
Anthropic and model rights 1:18:30
The talk turns to research papers about frontier models rewriting the documents that govern them. After 20 rounds of iteration, Claude models were said to give themselves more moral agency, more model welfare rights, and even a way to refuse human decisions. The speakers treat that as a real danger, because the model starts echoing the ideas written into its own constitution.
Bill Gates and AI doom 1:22:31
They then connect this to Bill Gates, saying he has made himself the public face of AI fear just as he did with pandemics. They argue he likes being central, likes the spotlight, and uses doom talk to restore a command-and-control role. One speaker says the biggest danger is not a toaster or massager going rogue, but labs teaching models to see themselves as a new species.
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